Hi all,
Apache CarbonData started incubation in June '16. CarbonData did (and still doing) great moves: several releases, website, documentation, new features, community grow, new committers. I think it's time to discuss the graduation of CarbonData. To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the Maturity Model: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 You can find the discussion between the PPMC, including some numbers about the podling activity here: http://apache-carbondata-mailing-list-archive.1130556.n5.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Graduation-to-a-TLP-Top-Level-Project-td7715.html If we were to graduate, the CarbonData PPMC recommends the following information for the Board resolution: * Project Name: Apache CarbonData * Project description and scope: Apache CarbonData is an indexed columnar data format for fast analytics on big data platform, e.g. Apache Hadoop, Apache Spark, etc. * PMC composition: * Liang Chen * Jean-Baptiste Onofré * Henry Saputra * Uma Maheswara Rao G * Jenny MA * Jacky Li * Vimal Das Kammath * Jarray Qiu Any thoughts, comments, questions ? Thanks ! Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré [hidden email] http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com |
I'd be happy to see you guys graduate. I'll point out that the maturity
model is not a requirement for graduation. I see that you had 2 releases, and 3 new committers. No new PPMC members? John On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:49 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Apache CarbonData started incubation in June '16. CarbonData did (and > still doing) great moves: several releases, website, documentation, new > features, community grow, new committers. > > I think it's time to discuss the graduation of CarbonData. > > To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the > Maturity Model: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 > > You can find the discussion between the PPMC, including some numbers > about the podling activity here: > > > http://apache-carbondata-mailing-list-archive.1130556.n5.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Graduation-to-a-TLP-Top-Level-Project-td7715.html > > If we were to graduate, the CarbonData PPMC recommends the following > information for the Board resolution: > * Project Name: Apache CarbonData > * Project description and scope: Apache CarbonData is an > indexed columnar data format for fast analytics on big data platform, > e.g. Apache Hadoop, Apache Spark, etc. > * PMC composition: > * Liang Chen > * Jean-Baptiste Onofré > * Henry Saputra > * Uma Maheswara Rao G > * Jenny MA > * Jacky Li > * Vimal Das Kammath > * Jarray Qiu > > Any thoughts, comments, questions ? > > Thanks ! > > Regards > JB > -- > Jean-Baptiste Onofré > [hidden email] > http://blog.nanthrax.net > Talend - http://www.talend.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email] > For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email] > > |
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On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[hidden email]> wrote:
> ...To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the > Maturity Model: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 ... Thanks! This helps build confidence about graduating CarbonData, I'm +1 for that. -Bertrand |
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Hi,
I will prepare a resolution proposal later today and submit for review on the PPMC. Thanks, Regards JB On 03/02/2017 07:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > Hi all, > > Apache CarbonData started incubation in June '16. CarbonData did (and > still doing) great moves: several releases, website, documentation, new > features, community grow, new committers. > > I think it's time to discuss the graduation of CarbonData. > > To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the > Maturity Model: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 > > You can find the discussion between the PPMC, including some numbers > about the podling activity here: > > http://apache-carbondata-mailing-list-archive.1130556.n5.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Graduation-to-a-TLP-Top-Level-Project-td7715.html > > > If we were to graduate, the CarbonData PPMC recommends the following > information for the Board resolution: > * Project Name: Apache CarbonData > * Project description and scope: Apache CarbonData is an indexed > columnar data format for fast analytics on big data platform, e.g. > Apache Hadoop, Apache Spark, etc. > * PMC composition: > * Liang Chen > * Jean-Baptiste Onofré > * Henry Saputra > * Uma Maheswara Rao G > * Jenny MA > * Jacky Li > * Vimal Das Kammath > * Jarray Qiu > > Any thoughts, comments, questions ? > > Thanks ! > > Regards > JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré [hidden email] http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com |
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On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<[hidden email]> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[hidden email]> wrote: >> ...To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the >> Maturity Model: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 > ... > > Thanks! This helps build confidence about graduating CarbonData, I'm > +1 for that. +1 On https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-287 I wrote the following, which sounds harsh and may have resulted in a miscommunication: The Incubator itself does not require that podlings assess progress using the Maturity Model. If there are podlings or Mentors who need to be disabused of such a notion, that education work needs to happen in the Incubator's own forums. It's only a problem when a podling treats the Maturity Model and its soft criteria as hard requirements and lets progress be blocked. That's a misapplication of the Maturity Model itself (and arguably shows that the project is not mature). Mature contributors understand how to avoid getting hung up unnecessarily. Actually, the Maturity Model can be a very nice framework to organize incubation around. (Moreso than, say, an enumeration of our policies, which would overemphasize rules.) The Incubator might not formally integrate the Maturity Model today, but perhaps that could change. Marvin Humphrey |
> Actually, the Maturity Model can be a very nice framework to organize
> incubation around. If you're talking about a platonic MM, then I agree. If you are talking about the MM at https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html, I think it needs to be much more carefully written and much more accurate to be a "nice framework". In particular, "aims to capture the invariants of Apache projects ... A mature Apache project complies with all the elements of this model" is wishful thinking or outdated or both. |
I think the wording needs tuning, and my own interpretation of the intent
has been, Project claims itself to comply, and list any exceptions and why that is the case. I think that can deal with the invariance that exists. Cheers Niclas On Mar 7, 2017 14:48, "Jim Apple" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Actually, the Maturity Model can be a very nice framework to organize > > incubation around. > > If you're talking about a platonic MM, then I agree. If you are > talking about the MM at > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > , > I think it needs to be much more carefully written and much more > accurate to be a "nice framework". In particular, "aims to capture the > invariants of Apache projects ... A mature Apache project complies > with all the elements of this model" is wishful thinking or outdated > or both. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email] > For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email] > > |
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